Can a Russian woman age 30 be truly interested in a man of 70 years?

by Peter
(Albany, NY, USA)

I met this woman on a sex webcam site. I began in the "private" sessions only to talk. She initially refused to give out any personal information, but eventually gave me her address, phone number, and email.

She said she was only working the site to make money to pay off her parents' debt. She soon quit the site, moved to Moscow to be with family and we have continued to talk twice a week on SKYPE. She has never asked for money, is reluctant to apply for any visa, even fiancee. She is working a legitimate job in Moscow. She has accepted $100 and $200 that I volunteered to help her transition off the sex site.

She is not married and has no children. She is open about her friends, family and work.

She says she "Likes me very, very much" and I tell her I love her which I do. I am a retired physician. She says I do not look my age and likes my personality.

I do not think she is scamming me, she asks for nothing except to talk and see me on SKYPE. She does think her legitimate job in Moscow will make it easier to get a visa.

My real question is: Do I continue to court her and hope she will agree to meet and someday marry, or am I dreaming?


Bob's Answer:

Let me start with my answer to your "real question" first, then expand on the details later.

You should NOT continue to court her and HOPE she will agree to meet and marry. But that doesn't mean it's over. If you're serious about it, why don't you visit her in Russia? The odds are that she won't ever get a visa to come to the U.S. on her own.

And one doesn't "court" and "hope she will agree to meet". If you're interested and want it to happen, you make it happen -- at least as far as it depends on you. And making a trip to see her seems like an obvious and necessary step toward that end.

Now to the question asked in the subject line: Can a Russian woman age 30 be truly interested in a man of 70 years? It would be unusual, but not impossible. Women in professions like her former job often see a darker side of life and cling to a strong, decent person.

OR, she could be scamming. I often hear "she asks for nothing" and "she hasn't asked for money" as evidence of authenticity. But when she throws in the story that she works some seedy job to pay off her parents' debt, THAT IS pretty much a request for money! And recognize it or not, you knew that's what it meant, which is why you sent money.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, it would be unusual for a girl on a sex-talk site where you pay-per-talk (and probably a fair amount of $$$ over time) to just give you her direct contact information where you can communicate free. I would guess that she earned pretty good money there.

So I can't really tell for sure what's happening here.

But I do know that sitting and hoping isn't very likely to succeed in anything. If this is to be "real", it must be face-to-face. That's really fairly non-negotiable. So tell her you would like to visit her in May and spend a week there. Her reaction could tell you a lot.

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Follow-up: Can a Russian Woman age 30 be truly interested in a man of 70 years?
by: Peter

Dear Bob,

I have continued to talk to this Russian woman on SKYPE for 6-8 months now. She continues to know my age but also now knows my age but also that I am undergoing treatments for macular degeneration to preserve my vision. She will meet me in Moscow, where she lives, if my doctors okay the trip and I decide to meet her. She states that she wants to stay in Russia for now and make a life there for herself, and only jokingly admits that if I come to Moscow and marry her she will come to the US as my wife on an immigrant visa.

As I said, I have sent her money in the past to exit the Porn site, but she declines my offers for money now.

My question is: Why does this woman still want to maintain a relationship on SKYPE but asks for no favors to admit her as my wife to the USA? She will let me visit, at my doctor's advice, but only as a tourist and says she cannot come here to be my wife because her life, for now, is in Russia. I am completely confused. What does this woman want? She knows I "love" her, but that she "likes" me. She also knows I am a retired MD.

Thank You,
Peter

RE: Peter's Follow-up
by: Bob (Site Owner)

Hi Peter

First I must point out that this is definitely outside my normal ballpark, so please take anything I say with appropriate weighting :)

Just to confirm my understanding: (1) You continue to offer further financial help but she declines. (2) She has quit the porn site. And (3) you continue speaking frequently on Skype (free).

If this is all true then here are my thoughts.

My gut tells me she's probably just a decent girl who is on the up-n-up, appreciates your concern for her well-being, your material aid in helping her improve her life, and your company. My gut also suggests that while all this is true, at the moment her intentions aren't for marriage with you.

She flat out says she doesn't want to leave Russia. From your report she only "jokingly" speaks of marriage, goes out of her way to stick with "like" in describing her feelings toward you, and avoids using "love" in those descriptions.

This is a tough one to process.

On the one hand it would actually be strange if she DID come to the point of wanting to talk about marriage or love without having ever met you in person. People don't really just fall in love over the internet - at least not usually.

AND FRANKLY when you talk to a girl about love, romance, future, and marriage, that's just going to scare the crap out of her 99% of the time. Yes, of course, at some point that comes up. But it's AFTER you've laid some foundation for attraction. And that certainly happens AFTER you have met IN PERSON.

Even if you were her age all of this would be true.

If I were in your shoes, I think I'd just STOP talking about the future, love, and marriage, and GO VISIT. And DON'T talk about those things during your visit either.

But in a way, I would be optimistic. You mostly want to know "Why does this woman still want to maintain a relationship on SKYPE but asks for no favors to admit her as my wife to the USA?"

I don't mean to get too Pollyanna-ish, but maybe you have actually built something of value here. She DOES LIKE YOU. I'd say she probably recognizes something of value in you. You have actually cared for her, and sought her best interest at your expense. You continue to take an interest in her well-being.

This is all rather significant.

That doesn't mean a gorgeous 30 year old is going to go for a health-challenged 70 year old, but I don't think you can rule it out either.

GO. VISIT HER. I look forward to your report!

FURTHER COMMENTS ON MY 30 YEAR OLD RUSSIAN WOMAN
by: Peter

Dear Robert,

Thank you for your comments to date.

It is still true: this women and I talk on SKYPE, she asks for no money, she knows I have the problem with my eyes (which is being treated), she asks about my eye condition and treatment progress, and she she hopes I can visit her in Russia when my eye doctors say I can. On her birthday in May I sent her a bottle of wine, a rose, and chocolates. She replied: "You made me happy."

She is not gorgeous, but I find her and her character attractive. My gut reaction is like yours, she is probably genuine and appreciates me. I will try to visit her in Russia in the Spring and will keep you informed until before I visit. This is a tough call for me too!

Thank You!

RE: FURTHER COMMENTS ON MY 30 YEAR OLD RUSSIAN WOMAN
by: Bob (Site Owner)

Thanks for the update! Keep us posted...

Well?
by: David

Dude, what happened??!!??

Lost Contact
by: Peter

Her birthday was November 20 and I sent her a bottle of wine, a rose and box of chocolates. She emailed me to thank me and said we could talk the next day.

When I waited on SKYPE to talk she sent a message via SKYPE saying she could not talk and had to attend to signing a contract to work that was very important to her. She had been looking for work since moving to Moscow and had changed her apartment three times to get the best deal.

I had sent her some money, $100, to help her in the process.

After this meeting that did not take place, she has not emailed me and has been "Offline" on SKYPE. I have emailed her twice with no response.

She knows I have to spend a great deal of money to treat my eye condition and cannot send her much at this time.

She has not emailed me now for 45 days and previously we had talked at least every week or two.

I can only speculate what has happened. Did she get a job? Does she now have money and not need me? I am thinking that she no longer wishes to speak or continue the relationship we have. I had told her that I would try to visit her in Russia this April around Easter but since she stopped emailing me I have no plans to try.

I am at a loss to explain her sudden disappearance but just think that it makes no sense to continue to reach her by email if he does not reply; plus she is "Offline" on SKYPE.

Any Suggestions or Thoughts?

Re: Lost contact
by: Bob (Site Owner)

Hi Peter

In your previous posts you said she declined your offers of money after a point, so it doesn't seem like she would discontinue contact because she got a job and no longer needs you.

I MOSTLY agree that doesn't make sense to continuing to attempt to contact her when she isn't answering/replying.

You said you sent her two emails after your last attempt to contact her. I'm guessing those two emails were both within a week or two of November 20. Is that close?

So if your last email was more than a month ago I might not hesitate to write her another quick email now just saying "Miss talking to you... Hope you had a good holiday season!" (that's the general idea - reword it, but keep it short and light like this - 20 words max). If you have a reliable phone number and you have exchanged SMS or Viber messages, send it that way instead. Otherwise just email.

There's no real harm in this kind of contact, but taking everything as it appears here, I would guess that She LIKED YOU, appreciated your company, your encouragement, and your help, but did not want a romantic relationship. I would guess that she spooked.

That seems like it would be very consistent with everything I read in your whole story. From previous posts:

- "She says she 'Likes me very, very much' and I tell her I love her which I do."

- "She states that she wants to stay in Russia for now and make a life there for herself, and only jokingly admits that if I come to Moscow and marry her she will come to the US as my wife on an immigrant visa."

- "[She] says she cannot come here to be my wife"

I also see where I said "My gut tells me she's probably just a decent girl who is on the up-n-up, appreciates your concern for her well-being, your material aid in helping her improve her life, and your company. My gut also suggests that while all this is true, at the moment her intentions aren't for marriage with you."

I would guess that she does like you, but knows that your intentions toward her are far more serious than hers are toward you, and that probably makes her uncomfortable. I would very much guess that she doesn't want to hurt you and is afraid of "leading you on" further.

It's my nearly 100% experience that when a girl all of a sudden gets very busy and can't communicate that this is the case.

IF you send her the short message I recommend and she replies, DO NOT talk about a visit right away. Wait till you have a better feel for where she is. If she has disappeared as a result of feeling spooked, mentioning a visit will probably make it worse.

Hope that helps!

Still Confused
by: Peter

I appreciate all you have said but my confusion persists. I sent her a brief email today saying: "Are you okay; is there a problem, did you get the contract or do you need money?"

I must tell you that while she was on the porn site, before she left, I spent a great deal of money to see her (about $2000 on credit card), and when she left, another $1000 in Western Union transfers. It was only recently that I told her of my need to back off because of the eye problem and the medical cost. So she earned quite a bit from me.

I think she did like me, but I fear that she was intelligent enough to know that (1) I was elderly and probably not a good bet for her in Russia or the USA, (2) that I was hesitant to meet her in Russia, and (3) having labeled herself as "bisexual" on the porn site, she could find a partner and a better apartment in Russia along with or without work, to support herself.

Her abrupt absence means either she has found a better way without me or something else has happened, like some kind of trouble (arrest, etc).

While I do think she really liked me, it could have been for the profit as well as for my kind interest.

Both you and I can speculate but, unless she answers my latest email (which I doubt), I will have a negative view: that she knew I cared for her and she took advantage while she could.

What hurts the most is not her rejection but not knowing why she could not just tell me "No" to any further plans. Just telling me I made her happy with the birthday present then disappearing leaves me despondent!! We are both partially right.

RE: Still Confused
by: Bob (Site Owner)

I'm not trying to encourage you to maintain hope that this will still go somewhere, but if she really was just taking advantage of you for money, it seems like she'll answer that last email where you ASK IF SHE NEEDS MORE MONEY! You basically announced that the tap is still available. If she's taking advantage, she'll answer that.

If it's all about the money I would also think she would have probably just continued talking through the porn site and not ever given you her direct contact details. That keeps it a good, clear "business" arrangement that everyone understands: You pay, she performs. And I'm pretty sure the porn business is lucrative.

But think about this... You're 70, announcing that you're having these expensive medical treatments to try to preserve your eyesight, and telling her it is difficult to afford sending much money, but offer anyway if she really needs it (basically the implication in your last message).

Who would be so low as to scam you in such a context, especially after all the generosity you've showed?

So I could amend my previous speculation. The previous speculation was that she spooked, and really doesn't want to do anything to encourage your feelings for he. I would add that even if she WAS primarily taking advantage of you for money, she hasn't for some time now (months?) and does not wish to take any more.

And for anyone else "listening in"... When YOU make money a part of the transaction, it makes it much more difficult to ascertain their true motives. This is kind of a special case, but in general NEVER offer to send money, buy gifts, etc. Use the money to VISIT, pay for airfare, hotel, meals in restaurants, etc.

Re: Lost contact P.S.
by: Bob (Site Owner)

P.S. Oh, about "What hurts the most is not her rejection but not knowing why she could not just tell me 'No' to any further plans" --

People (in this context, WOMEN - but the phenomenon works when it is the other way around too), are very uncomfortable just being clear with a "No" answer when they know it will really hurt the other person.

In such a case it is extremely common for the girl to disappear in busyness, stress, etc., never actually just coming right out and saying, "I appreciate your effort, but I am not interested in you in that way."

I don't know how much of this is happening here, but this is extremely common.

No Contact, My Plan For Future
by: Peter

Dear Bob,

Thank you for all your help and comments. I have decided on how to reply to her lack of response to my continued offers to help with money.

She has previously said yes, then no to a fiancee visa, but said it would be easy to get a visitor visa if she had the money. She knows I often go to St. Barts (St. Barthelemey) to vacation. I know she is receiving my emails because I get the copies back on the internet. So I am going to email and tell her that my doctors say my eyes are better and OK to fly, and I am going to St. Barts to get away from cold here. So I will tell her I am flying to St. Barts, offer to pay for her visitor Visa to go there and meet me there.

She loves expensive things; roses, expensive cars, all things hard to get in Russia. St. Barts is expensive and I can still go there in spite of eye expense.

I am not trying to win her back, just showing her that, if she has taken me for money, I can still have the upper hand. This can be a lesson for me, for your READERS, and will show that WE can use words to regain CONTROL, if not regain any money we may have lost. What do you think?

RE: No Contact, My Plan For Future
by: Bob (Site Owner)

I can't say I really understand this plan. In the normal way of talking about "regaining control" I don't really see it happening here. Given your history with this girl I think after that last message any additional messages actually accomplish the opposite of regaining control.

It lets her know you can't forget about her. And, in my humble, amateur opinion, forgetting about her is really the best and only move right now.

If you want to send her a short note on International Woman's Day (March 8), that's harmless. But anything more probably works against you.

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